I was raised with the Nordic light and it’s a unique way of enfacing details. I think we in the Nordic region are really focusing on how to compensate daylight, but also how to make that campfire feeling in the evenings. My name is Joaquim de Abreu, I’m a lighting designer based in Stockholm, Sweden, I made the light for the new concept WAW for Fabege. I wanted to create a dramatic light setting. That means a lot of accent lighting and bringing details forward. My name is Klaus Vikström, I’m the Executive Vice-President on the real estate company Fabege, and I have all responsibility for this WAW concept. In Stockholm you have to realise that the traffic situation is very difficult. In the morning from six o’clock to 9 o’clock it’s a traffic jam, and in fact the Stockholmer spend more time pendling to North than they have vacation. If you live say, 20 miles south of Stockholm you can dock in on a WAW office and you can work there, and when the traffic is over, or maybe you have a meeting in the city, you can work here. So this is a way for the employees to travel less, it makes your life much better. It’s part of the service to have more satisfied employees. So that’s the whole idea behind it. You invest a lot in interior nowadays and also in technology, but the light has been like third wheel in some ways. This is actually the biggest challenge for me as a lighting designer to convince the client to actually invest in the light, and from the beginning of planning their spaces. Today the flexibility is everything because the companies grow or they want to move around with all their furniture and everything, so this is the key to the future. When you have the tracks then you can easily just move the light with you – you cannot do that in a normal office space where you have 60-60 plates with the same amount of light everywhere. When I first saw Jilly I was amazed by the design. I mean that one looks amazing and you don’t see the light source before coming really really close. That is actually amazing. Erco is a tenant of ours so we were pretty well informed that they were on the forefront of what was going on, and when we saw the first mockups in our spots we were gobsmacked with the impact that your lighting did. It looked cosy and efficient in on time, which is very difficult. This will actually be the new way of working, even for big companies they will try to make their normal basic offices more to stimulate their employees.